nature of practicing law and has a jd from the university connecticut school of law and english from california riverside. richard is the united states court of appeals for the seventh circuit and a senior lecturer at the university of chicago law school. tonight we are joined by tom ginsberg the purpose of international law at the wall schoolawschool that is graciousy presenting the program please join me in welcoming them now. [applause] without further ado i thought i would plunge into the question alternating between the judge and the biographer. when you were at the age of some of the people in this room as an undergraduate and the biography tells us you were a fabulous scholar interested in literatu literature, what made you decide to go to law school clinics debate co? >> it was always the default graduate choice for a college graduate and my father was a lawyer and i gave some thought to going to graduate school and decided it wasn't for me so i don't think that i could consider anything else. >> harvard law school seems to have a formative impression on you i suppose and launch your tr